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pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by ogami_ito

Your points echo mine I believe. However, just one thing. Strength applies ONLY to regular attack damage. Attack skills damage is automatically armor-ignoring, unless the skill says something like "does cold damage". If the skill says "Does +X damage", all that additional damage is already armor-penetrating.

i think everyone is confused with wat strength does. LOOK IT UP. first one guy says it only aplys to regular atk damage then the nxt says only to skills... do any of yall noe anything?? even if u claim this and that the way i c it is. Strength has its use. Powerstrike is just that more powerful. i dont rely on raw facts i rely on wat i c. all of you should too.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Silk Weaver

Well, Jesh, there was this silly notion that armor ignoring sets the AL to 60, and that AP kicking in would reduce it further. Not true, of course, and you've probably heard, but just wanted to mention.

Someone is abusing powers they don't have yet~

Okay, let's inject some intelligent into the discussion. Whereas both Lightning and Ogami, Jesh, and others(?) have made points, they haven't added anything to the actual discussion.

I assume that the thread is about the Dervish class being the best secondary, and not simply the "best" secondary. Notice that "best" does not really exist. More accurately, it would be "most suitable" for each situation. A theoretical best is would be "most suitable" in all reasonable situations.

In that case, no, W/D is not the best. Here are a few reasons: It cannot utilize Deepwound or Adrenaline/Melee spike as effective as either a Axe/Sword/Hammer warrior OR a Dervish, speaking, of course, of the pretty decent Reaper's Sweep + Mystic Sweep (3/4 activation) spike, or using Wearying Strike + Plague touch to spread deepwound for fun. Don't know what for, and haven't found a use, but it seemed important to note.

For that reason, the W/D is limited in its use. Especially in form of attacks, as there aren't really any good attack skills a W/D can use with the exception of Wild Blow, and, in my opinion, Bull's Strike, and Protector's Strike, both of which are triggering from moving targets. I forgot whether it was moving targets that trigger criticals, or if it's still "fleeing" unlike the Bull's Strike update a while back, but both these skills seem to syngergize well with a scythe.

As you can see, I'm not the most learned warrior there is. Still, from experiences as a D/W, I've learnt that running from a Dervish is a bad idea. A warrior with slightly less than half health will very likely be killed by the aforementioned combo (Reaper+Mystic), due to the high critical.

Speaking of critical, I've found, in the PvP weekend, in fact, that a W/D does do large amount of DPS. This DPS can largely be avoided through kiting (or not kiting), and correct positioning. Mesmers in Zaishen Challenge were like flies, however, so it's all fine and dandy to me.

When using a scythe, I can only assume that is your goal is to maximize your Critical Chance, which can be done through Primal Rage. It's possible to use a A/D, but that's neither here nor there. With Primal Rage, you run into lots of complications. For one thing, it's stupid as an RA build, and it's dubious whether effecient monks exist in PvE, so the lack of healing causes concern. However, it does have decent armor (watch yourself was added in for fun). It is a rather oppotunistic build. I didn't actually run Prot's Strike, though it makes lots of theoretical sense. Wild Blow and Bull's Strike was good enough.

Strength does not add damage to normal attacks, so it's really just for the Primal Rage. It deals a hefty amount of damage...

... but less damage than a Dervish. It's simple numbers, really. Due to higher mastery, a Dervish deals more damage on average. Now added to this, you are capable of using a non stance IAS, namely Heart of Fury, which gives a nice 33% buff at little cost. Enchant stripping isn't an issue if you have multiple 5 recharging enchants.

Back on topic. With an IAS, your dervish does less damage than a dervish. Note that fleeing goes auto crit anyway, so Primal Rage, I found, wasn't really as good as it seemed, didn't add as much as I thought it would. A Dervish can use an avatar, buffing its armor to up to 115 (windwalker), or with Lyssa's, my favourite, which gives a crazy +50 damage, or Reaper+Mystic scythe combo.

For one thing, I am pretty sure a D/W and beat a W/D one on one quite easily, due to several reasons: +25 per hit, +10 regen, +33% IAS, +Cripple fleeing does +Choice Elite. Strength's activation, when it does, which it wouldn't very often, doesn't really do as much difference as you might like. The thing with a D/W are the constant restrictions, and you would know what it means if you've played one. It's not a big issue though. In fact, its restrictions are lesser to that of a W/D.

Now to compare a W/D to a W/any. Axe for example. Energy leech? You lose precious health leech and adrenaline by using a Zealous Scythe. Note also that scythe's slow attack speed means that you gain energy slower too. Without an IAS as a Zealous Hammer warrior would have, you simply don't gain that much energy too quickly. Scythes without IAS are really.. really slow. Of course, a dervish compensates that by having Mystic and Eremite's Sweep, but I guess that's a closed door for you.

An Axe swings much much faster. Triple + Cyclone combo are more effective in huge mobs, and deal more damage too. Scythes hitting 3 targets, for me, is more for flavor than actual use. In a touch situation, I don't see it coming into play that much.

Both ways, they deal more damage to single targets, and potentially become more effective in PvE as well.

So yes, it could work, I guess.

Vital Boon is a poor skill for a warrior in my opinion though, same with Twin Moon.

"For one thing, it's stupid as an RA build"

on ur profle thingy it says ur a RA. Also how u claim if there are any effiecent monks in Pve u seem to foget the new hero system. i can have up to 3 monks on my team.... they all chain heal and heal me. so pve is kinda fun with this build cuz u fight so fast.

Effigy · Nov 07, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Sorry good sir but i am not at all flaming.(and by that i mean gay) anyways the way i see it is if people like to make remarks about me being this and that they have the right to get bashed. in a nice subtle way even tho moron/stupid isnt really a mature way of handling things. i find it quite amusing. as long as i posted what i believed would pose to be a good build or whatnot then i am satisfied. even if this thread closes i hope that most people will realize that Guild Wars is about new ideas and improving them. Not shutting down new ideas and claim that they suck. In other words i Simply stated that my build is quite good. You just have to try it. ^ ^ by the by thanks for that healthy debate between you and I it was quite short.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I also have a hard time crying to irrelevant things such as a gaming forum to be a big part of my life... I apologize if it is your life. It has no specific impact or meaning to me. Its a Game! We post new ideas and how we can improve them but aparently a lot of people miss the gist of Guild wars.

Effigy · Nov 07, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

It seems you only read the first rule I posted. And yes, many of your posts contain personal attacks and could be perceived as flaming/trolling. The other things, such as spamming and double-posting, are undeniable. You double-posted immediately after I quoted the forum rules...

Your claim that this topic "has no specific impact or meaning" to you is obviously false. You wouldn't be arguing about this so vehemently and posting ten times in a row if you had no concern whatsoever in the discussion. If discussing Guild Wars is pointless and meaningless, why would you be spending your time doing it? Don't bother answering that--it was a rhetorical question.

Back to the topic, I won't deny the possibility that a scythe W/D could be effective. However, the scythe attack skills don't seem to synergize well with the warrior's poor energy management options. A zealous mod on a slow-attacking weapon is not enough to fuel the 10 energy attack skills in the scythe line (read: most of the good ones). Hammer is probably the most energy-intensive warrior weapon, yet most hammer warriors don't even use a zealous swap because the slow attack speed makes the energy gain minimal.

Even 5e skills can be a problem if you spam them, which you would more or less have to since there are no adrenaline-based scythe attacks. Also, a number of sythe skills require you to "lose an enchantment," which necessitates bringing enchantments along with your attack skills, run skill, IAS, res, etc. It's just too much to fit in one character comfortably, in my opinion. I can see a W/D possibly working in PvE more as a tank with good AoE DPS, but I don't have any specific build in mind.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Effigy

It seems you only read the first rule I posted. And yes, many of your posts contain personal attacks and could be perceived as flaming/trolling. The other things, such as spamming and double-posting, are undeniable. You double-posted immediately after I quoted the forum rules...

Your claim that this topic "has no specific impact or meaning" to you is obviously false. You wouldn't be arguing about this so vehemently and posting ten times in a row if you had no concern whatsoever in the discussion. If discussing Guild Wars is pointless and meaningless, why would you be spending your time doing it? Don't bother answering that--it was a rhetorical question.

Back to the topic, I won't deny the possibility that a scythe W/D could be effective. However, the scythe attack skills don't seem to synergize well with the warrior's poor energy management options. A zealous mod on a slow-attacking weapon is not enough to fuel the 10 energy attack skills in the scythe line (read: most of the good ones). Hammer is probably the most energy-intensive warrior weapon, yet most hammer warriors don't even use a zealous swap because the slow attack speed makes the energy gain minimal.

Even 5e skills can be a problem if you spam them, which you would more or less have to since there are no adrenaline-based scythe attacks. Also, a number of sythe skills require you to "lose an enchantment," which necessitates bringing enchantments along with your attack skills, run skill, IAS, res, etc. It's just too much to fit in one character comfortably, in my opinion. I can see a W/D possibly working in PvE more as a tank with good AoE DPS, but I don't have any specific build in mind.

Hmmm do i have to prove it to you? That debating is quite fun? heh i like debating what can i say and to prove to you that question you claim rhetorical ill answer it. I spend my time doing this because once again i like debating also due to the fact that before anyone even tried this build they would bash it. That irks me as well as your annoying facade. For the last time you are not relying on any scythe skills unless you have warrior endurance on you. I find it also quite hypocritcal to see you say that you wont deny it will be effective but then ridcule the build claiming the flawst that i covered over and over. BEfore you even say this and that try it. I did not in fact post ten times in a row. We all noe warriors are famous for speed so please for the last time quit complaining about slow atk speed. On top of that what scythe moves are YOU relying on? chilling victory? im not using that. Im using strength moves such as powerstrike. They cost a very low cost. Im tired of gaming forums where gamers act all high and mighty because they know so much about a game. Wow. thats so admirable. im sure ur 5.15 wage is also exciting. (that wasnt directed to you) Guild wars is a fun game and i would love to contribute my ideas to promote the welfare of this game but if people continue to just bash things then this forum in a sense is completly pointless. Who cares if you know so much about a video game. Its not going to get you a girlfreind or give you a chance in getting a PhD. My point is people need to be more open minded then rely on old school things. once again i close this post with this. "Thousands of skills, only 8 slots."

Jelloblimp · Nov 07, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by pham917

i think everyone is confused with wat strength does. LOOK IT UP. first one guy says it only aplys to regular atk damage then the nxt says only to skills... do any of yall noe anything?? even if u claim this and that the way i c it is. Strength has its use. Powerstrike is just that more powerful. i dont rely on raw facts i rely on wat i c. all of you should too.

1. Ingame-info: "Strength: When you use attack skills, each point of Strength gives you 1% armor penetration. Many skills, especially those related to surviving and inflicting damage, become more effective with higher Strength."

2. Please stop raping the english language, use http://www.spellcheck.net/ , even I use it when I need to use odd-spelled words words.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Jelloblimp

1. Ingame-info: "Strength: When you use attack skills, each point of Strength gives you 1% armor penetration. Many skills, especially those related to surviving and inflicting damage, become more effective with higher Strength."

2. Please stop raping the english language, use http://www.spellcheck.net/ , even I use it when I need to use odd-spelled words words.

*sigh* keep ur str at 0 atk a dummy in namless isle. raise it to twelve get back to me. If i am still wrong to you. Then i give. Ill just say use power strike. Strength still will help you regardless.

Effigy · Nov 07, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I really don't even know where to start...

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Hmmm do i have to prove it to you? That debating is quite fun? heh i like debating what can i say and to prove to you that question you claim rhetorical ill answer it. I spend my time doing this because once again i like debating also due to the fact that before anyone even tried this build they would bash it.

If you are here simply to argue with people, please let me redirect you to that aforementioned "No Trolling" rule. Debating is a two way process. One person makes a claim, another comments on it, and this process continues back and forth. Ideally, the participants should give careful consideration to each other's comments. You seem to be ignoring everyone's comments and restating the same thing over and over.

It is not necessary to test every build that is posted for people to judge whether it is good or bad. Do I need to jump off a bridge to determine whether it would be a good idea to do so? No. I can use logic and related experience to come to reasonable conclusion without "trying it out."

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That irks me as well as your annoying facade.

Could that be....a personal attack? No, of course not. You haven't posted any flames here. Please enlighten me about this alleged "facade." Am I really "annoying," or just pretending to be?

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For the last time you are not relying on any scythe skills unless you have warrior endurance on you. I find it also quite hypocritcal to see you say that you wont deny it will be effective but then ridcule the build claiming the flawst that i covered over and over.

So, you're claiming that a W/D without attack skills is going to outdamage other warriors with attack skills? How about some proof. From my experience, playing without attack skills in PvP gives you no spike power, meaning you can easily be outhealed. In PvE, attack skills are important because they deal armor ignoring damage. High level enemies will take very little damage from normal attacks due to high armor.

You may have restated the same thing over and over, but you haven't refuted any of the arguments that people have made against your build.

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We all noe warriors are famous for speed so please for the last time quit complaining about slow atk speed.

Warriors do have ways to increase attack speed, yes. But that doesn't mean all weapons attack at the same speed. IAS will make a scythe faster, but it would make a sword or axe faster still. Scythe is a slow weapon, with or without IAS. Therefore, zealous mod is less effective on a scythe or hammer than it is on an axe or sword. The only saving grace is the AoE attack range of the scythe, but that only matters in PvE and matters even less now that mobs are programmed to spread out.

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Im tired of gaming forums where gamers act all high and mighty because they know so much about a game. Wow. thats so admirable.

As opposed to your oh-so-humble style of discussion.

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im sure ur 5.15 wage is also exciting.

Another personal attack? Based on fabricated personal information? No, I must be mistaken. pham917 never flames.

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Guild wars is a fun game and i would love to contribute my ideas to promote the welfare of this game but if people continue to just bash things then this forum in a sense is completly pointless. Who cares if you know so much about a video game.

Contributing ideas is all well and good, but you can't expect people to just agree with you by default. And if you aren't prepared for criticism, then it's probably best not to share your thoughts.

Knowing more about Guild Wars is the whole point of this forum. If you think that's "stupid," no one is forcing you to visit this forum.

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Its not going to get you a girlfreind or give you a chance in getting a PhD.

Of course playing Guild Wars or posting on a forum will not get you either of these things. But it won't prevent you from getting them either. They are completely unrelated. Eating lunch won't get the bills paid, but that doesn't stop me from doing either.

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My point is people need to be more open minded then rely on old school things.

Being open-minded does not mean blindly accepting things simply because they are new or different. New character builds come about all the time. The reason some become popular is that they are effective, or fun, or easy to use, or whatever. If a new, different option can't match one that was developed before, why would someone want to use it. The point of discussing it on a forum is to determine whether these new ideas can hold a candle to things that a tried and true.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Effigy

I really don't even know where to start...

If you are here simply to argue with people, please let me redirect you to that aforementioned "No Trolling" rule. Debating is a two way process. One person makes a claim, another comments on it, and this process continues back and forth. Ideally, the participants should give careful consideration to each other's comments. You seem to be ignoring everyone's comments and restating the same thing over and over.

It is not necessary to test every build that is posted for people to judge whether it is good or bad. Do I need to jump off a bridge to determine whether it would be a good idea to do so? No. I can use logic and related experience to come to reasonable conclusion without "trying it out."

Could that be....a personal attack? No, of course not. You haven't posted any flames here. Please enlighten me about this alleged "facade." Am I really "annoying," or just pretending to be?

So, you're claiming that a W/D without attack skills is going to outdamage other warriors with attack skills? How about some proof. From my experience, playing without attack skills in PvP gives you no spike power, meaning you can easily be outhealed. In PvE, attack skills are important because they deal armor ignoring damage. High level enemies will take very little damage from normal attacks due to high armor.

You may have restated the same thing over and over, but you haven't refuted any of the arguments that people have made against your build.

Warriors do have ways to increase attack speed, yes. But that doesn't mean all weapons attack at the same speed. IAS will make a scythe faster, but it would make a sword or axe faster still. Scythe is a slow weapon, with or without IAS. Therefore, zealous mod is less effective on a scythe or hammer than it is on an axe or sword. The only saving grace is the AoE attack range of the scythe, but that only matters in PvE and matters even less now that mobs are programmed to spread out.

As opposed to your oh-so-humble style of discussion.

Another personal attack? Based on fabricated personal information? No, I must be mistaken. pham917 never flames.

Contributing ideas is all well and good, but you can't expect people to just agree with you by default. And if you aren't prepared for criticism, then it's probably best not to share your thoughts.

Knowing more about Guild Wars is the whole point of this forum. If you think that's "stupid," no one is forcing you to visit this forum.

Of course playing Guild Wars or posting on a forum will not get you either of these things. But it won't prevent you from getting them either. They are completely unrelated. Eating lunch won't get the bills paid, but that doesn't stop me from doing either.

Being open-minded does not mean blindly accepting things simply because they are new or different. New character builds come about all the time. The reason some become popular is that they are effective, or fun, or easy to use, or whatever. If a new, different option can't match one that was developed before, why would someone want to use it. The point of discussing it on a forum is to determine whether these new ideas can hold a candle to things that a tried and true.

Some proof? try it out.

The point of discussing it on a forum is to determine whether these new ideas can hold a candle to things that a tried and true

ok.... but u just said "It is not necessary to test every build that is posted for people to judge whether it is good or bad. Do I need to jump off a bridge to determine whether it would be a good idea to do so? No. I can use logic and related experience to come to reasonable conclusion without "trying it out.".

so once again you sieze to amaze me. if u dont try it what good is an idea? Noob

the facade im talking about is your arrogance as a person trying to ridicule someone and getting one in trouble. Your not an admin. get over it.

pham917 never flames.-im glad you agree ^ ^

scythes arent slow. rest assure i see many good dervishes rape with a scythe and they have no ias. If ur once again complaining about energy consumption, we're not relying on dervish skills here. Basically ur just a flat out warrior. Using a scythe and having some skills such as POWER STRIKE. TRY IT OUT. And i have argued plenty of times thats y i get no feedback bc most likely they are thinking about what to say to flame me. Im not even here to flame im here to share.

lmao are you serious you make 5.15? i just told you it wasnt directed to you. It was done in a sarcastic tone, to make fun of those out there who think they are at an echelon of success and prestige because they know so much about guildwars. umm eating lunch is really the unrelated one.. Ok what does everyone want me to do? does it annoy everyone im 13? I think im done with this thread now. Insteadof any good feedback i get crap. Ill end this thread cuz you want me to so bad effigy but dont be discouraged that there are actually people out there that can think better then you.

Apparently im too immature whihc i agree ahahah. So sorry admin please close this thread. You better keep you eye open to effigy i bet you anythng there will be W/D out there.

gogoblender · Nov 07, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I tried it out too.
The damage is good
really good
This game isn't dead ending after all
Was worried that there was only a very limited way of building that resulted in the really high damage
Seems that some creativity is filling in some spaces
nice work

gogo

p.s. maybe someone can make a vid of this?
I'll see if I can asap

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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i would switch some skills out though, powerstrike is a must. Good work kid. I liked how i landed 123 damage like you said against 60 al with powerstrike. with only a four sec interval i can spam that.

Lantis Torm is it?

Yea ^ ^ its my char. Ha anyways if you have any more ideas on how i can improve it please tell. ^ ^

Imoca Zeros · Nov 07, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

"besidse in the long run u dont even have to use energy unless required, remeber warriors also have adredline skills...." he said.

A warrior is a dead warrior without his offensive adrenaline skills. Swordsman insance- Final Thrust and Gash. Let alone the other non-adrenal skills. Uhmm...last time I checked you cant use these while weilding a Sythe. Yeah sure I can attack, but swordsmanship is going to be completely pointless if I'm focusing on defense and energy production when a warrior doesnt need energy in the first place...

You said at the top of page 2 that the difference is almost unnoticeable from 100% to 115%. Ludicrous.
You're thinking that gaining 15% isn't alot. But which 15% are you gaining? What if its the 15% when your monks are being attacked and the rest of the group isnt paying attention, you hit the enemy 5 times and you've dealt 575% damage instead of the flat out 500%. Ponder that, 75% is huge.

In response to Scythe Mastery, a warrior using scythe mastery would be oxymoronic. The Scythe does NOT deal an amazingly higher amount of damage than an axe. If you think 15% is a small difference, than what about a little 5% thats in reality the difference. Higher damage, slower attacks. This is how they balance the professions evenly. Not to mention you cant hold a shield with a scythe. Better have good armor.

This template isnt looking good to me man. Like said previously, maybe for PvP not PvE.

gogoblender · Nov 07, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Any Warrior's a dead warrior if he's not played well.

Relying on any one thing all the time in all situations is looking for a hard crash
I"m hoping that everyone who is offering criticism on a brand new build like this has at least tried it out?
As stated above, it's fresh and "feels" different
The damage is definitely there
lol, what is there to argue about?

The challenge now is how to fit it into current play styles

gogo

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Imoca Zeros

"besidse in the long run u dont even have to use energy unless required, remeber warriors also have adredline skills...." he said.

A warrior is a dead warrior without his offensive adrenaline skills. Swordsman insance- Final Thrust and Gash. Let alone the other non-adrenal skills. Uhmm...last time I checked you cant use these while weilding a Sythe. Yeah sure I can attack, but swordsmanship is going to be completely pointless if I'm focusing on defense and energy production when a warrior doesnt need energy in the first place...

You said at the top of page 2 that the difference is almost unnoticeable from 100% to 115%. Ludicrous.
You're thinking that gaining 15% isn't alot. But which 15% are you gaining? What if its the 15% when your monks are being attacked and the rest of the group isnt paying attention, you hit the enemy 5 times and you've dealt 575% damage instead of the flat out 500%. Ponder that, 75% is huge.

In response to Scythe Mastery, a warrior using scythe mastery would be oxymoronic. The Scythe does NOT deal an amazingly higher amount of damage than an axe. If you think 15% is a small difference, than what about a little 5% thats in reality the difference. Higher damage, slower attacks. This is how they balance the professions evenly. Not to mention you cant hold a shield with a scythe. Better have good armor.

This template isnt looking good to me man. Like said previously, maybe for PvP not PvE.

Thumpers dont seem to complain. They dont have shields, neither do dervish, wait assassins dont have one either. You have plenty of defense buffs. You know that. So quit crying about 16 def shield. I dont need to substantiate the fact that scythes do isane damage. Im sure those who tested it know. Whats better to you? gaining adredline to land 60-100 (if ur lucky) damage or landing that at a constant bases? Power strike with strength sig once again will land 123 damage. (if it is a critical which you have a high percentage) Thats without an element mod for your scythe. We will also assume you have primal rage on you. So the added percentage of critcal, ias, armor penetration, Power Atk is going to hurt real bad. Way more damage then what an axe can do. 9-41 is the scythe damage. What you look at is skill damage. Something that takes time to build due to adredline. Who cares about +30 damage. Besides if you hadnt notice the previous posts most people were complaining about energy consumption. Let me break it down for you. You are still primary warrior with a high damage wep and a HIGH ARMOR CLASS that is one of the points in making this.. With zealous mod and you attacking at a high speed, you can just bounce back and forth using power atk and wild blow which are some skills that take no time to execute and redo. That to me seems quite promising. If the only thing you can do is find fault in this leave my thread unless you have ideas to improve it. Lmao and the weapon damage is flat out unoticable after rank twelve. Please review again. Here let me show you some numbers Scythe 9-41>6-28 axe. Now can you tell me which number is higher? min and max? and btw... ur right swordsmanship would be pointless considering this thread is about w/d... Now since your main concern is PVE, did you forget you hit multiple targets? that will so increase ur energy rate to land poweratk and wild blow over and over again. Sides there is a hero system. You can literally have four monks on your team. One can just cast vigor sprirt on you and wam. Farming fanatic 101.

pham917 · Nov 07, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by gogoblender

Any Warrior's a dead warrior if he's not played well.

Relying on any one thing all the time in all situations is looking for a hard crash
I"m hoping that everyone who is offering criticism on a brand new build like this has at least tried it out?
As stated above, it's fresh and "feels" different
The damage is definitely there
lol, what is there to argue about?

The challenge now is how to fit it into current play styles

gogo

i was hoping there be no argument, just ways to improve it.

falling demon · Nov 07, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by pham917

go to pvp create char. equip urself with one of dem scythes and power strike a 60 armor dummy in nameless isle. tell me if it doesnt land more then a 100.

um, yeah?
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8716/gw054iv2.png
grats

anyway, ill take some more pics of my warrior, using power attack, and the warrior/dervish using power attack, see who wins?
(I'll do it tomorrow, too tired now, maybe get some video software and get you a vid)

Effigy · Nov 07, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Whether or not the build works, pham917 needs to learn how to have an online discussion without resorting to personal attacks and restating his case every time someone disagrees.

I'm not going to bother quoting every line, as it's quickly becoming tedious in this thread, but telling people they need to try your build before they dispute it is lame. People post so many builds on these forums that discussion would be impossible if you had to test each one before you can comment on it. The game mechanics speak for themselves and they can be used as a basis for evaluating any build. Our friend pham here likes to pick and choose which game mechanics to ignore and which to expound on ad nauseam.

A warrior without attack skills? I suppose it would work on mobs with no healing. Then again, just about anything works against them. I seriously can't understand why someone would want to pass up the best thing warriors have going for them. Really, what does a scythe W/D have that a D/W doesn't? Some extra armor and Power Attack? Talk about uber leet sauce....

Not to mention that the warrior primary attribute only applies to attack skills, yet you're suggesting a build without attack skills. And please, don't tell me to "go try it." If you're so sure it applies to normal attacks, contrary to the written description in game and all other research, how about you bring the evidence to back up your claim and quit trying to shift the burden of proof to others.

LightningHell · Nov 07, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by pham917

ME:Im quite positive ppl understood wat i wrote. Ppl like u tho ,like to go thru a flaming rampage and try to be smart will undubitaly write such a post and make other gamers such ourselves be in a state of "wtf" besides anyone can grab a thesarus......-pham

I'm quite sure you won't find many of those words in a thesaurus.

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Originally Posted by pham917

Me=judging from my opinion u feel extemely secure in ur confidence as a gamer due to the fact u lack a social life. on top of that u cant c me fool. and i truly am 13 yrs old. i go to incarnate word academy in texas. its a private school. so that will explain to u y i noe a lil more the most ppl due to my adoloscent age. i think if u pay 20k a year u should get ur moneys worth. plus im asian so that could also unravel they mystery to ur skeptical nature ^ ^-pham

Sadly, this is true. In IB you really don't have any kind of social/personal life. I go to Chinese International School in Hong Kong, one of the top IB schools, but that's beside the point.

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me=that was the dumbest thing i read so far besides ur fake ass facade of being a english teacher. Lmao u liked totally missed the point then... thousands of skills. 8 slots. Who can make good builds then hmm? u have to make ideas moron.

I will seriously laugh and die of laughing if you take it up in a 100+ GvG.

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Me=ten bux i have freinds and dont spend 1000+ hrs on video games. also primal rage will kill u b4 u have a chance. look up wat it does fool. it ws in regards to the moron that said regular atks cant kill. which i have no idea where he had the audicity to state such a thing.

In the past 14 months, I have played around 478 hours. And no, any healer with their eyes will be able to outheal that "insane DPS".

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Me= lmao yes it does idiot. go to the dummy of armor 60. max out scythe max out ur str. remeber u have just 12 str. hit it with powerstrike then come back to me.

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Me= idiot.... nameless isle has dummys moron. 60,80,100 armor classes. test it.. so obiviously u lied, u cant safely say final thrust did more damage cuz u didnt try. moron. besides since powerstrike only takes 5 energy to cast u can use it over and over again and land the damage OVER AND OVER AGAIN. where as final thrust u have to wait till enemys have half health to land that to its optimum performance. plus u need adredline where as it will completely drain u for the rest of ur adredline.

I'm very surprised that you compare dummies to PvP players, that's all. Do you look down at them THAT much?

All boils down to...WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO DO A DERVISH'S JOB USING THE WARRIOR? And no, you can't maintain Power Strike for that long.